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San Martin and Bolivar: One Room, Four Versions

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On 26 July 1822 San Martin and Bolivar walked into a room in Guayaquil and closed the door. No clerk, no witness. Within two months San Martin had resigned and left Peru for good. Four documents describe what was said, and they do not agree on who asked for what.

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The door is closed 0:00

On the twenty-sixth of July, eighteen twenty-two, San Martin and Bolivar walked into a room in Guayaquil and closed the door. They talked for more than an hour, with no clerk and no witness. The next day they shut themselves in again, for four hours. Within two months, San Martin had given up his power and left Peru for good. And the only two men who were in that room tell it differently.

Four documents 0:27

This is not a story about a missing document. Four documents describe that room, and two of them were written in eighteen twenty-two. The trouble is not that nobody wrote it down. It is that the people who did cannot be checked against each other, and they do not agree. And the famous account, the one a historian built to settle it, tells you plainly how he built it.

The port 0:52

Start with the port. In July of eighteen twenty-two, Bolivar had arrived in Guayaquil with an army, and a local council was still debating whether to join his Colombia. In his own letter, Bolivar says San Martin promised not to meddle in Guayaquil's business. Historians have argued ever since about whether the meeting was about the port, or about Peru. On the twenty-fifth, Bolivar learned that San Martin's ship was in the river, and he wrote to him twice the same day.

Two letters, 25 July 1:23

In the first, he calls San Martin friend, and says that is the only name that should remain between them for life. San Martin had suggested that a few hours would be enough. Bolivar answers that a few hours may do for soldiers, but not for the friendship he is about to begin. He calls San Martin a man loved, in his words, only by opinion, only by fame. In the second letter he writes that he is extraordinarily agitated by the wish for an interview that could serve the good of southern America.

Without witnesses 1:55

San Martin landed the next morning. Mitre says Bolivar waited for him at the foot of the stairs in dress uniform, and that the two men embraced for the first time and the last. When the crowd had gone, they were left alone in the hall, and they paced for a few minutes. Bolivar seemed restless, Mitre writes, and San Martin calm and withdrawn. Then they closed the door, and spoke without witnesses for more than an hour and a half. When it opened, Bolivar walked out, in Mitre's words, grave as a sphinx.

Four hours, then the toast 2:30

The next day, San Martin had his luggage put aboard his schooner, and said he would sail that night. Mitre reads that as a sign he no longer expected anything from the interview. At one in the afternoon, he went to Bolivar's house anyway. They shut themselves in for four hours, and Mitre calls it the psychological moment of the whole meeting. At the banquet that followed, Bolivar rose and toasted the two greatest men of South America: General San Martin, and himself. San Martin answered, Mitre says, modestly. He drank to a quick end to the war, and to the organization of the new republics.

The side door 3:11

At one in the morning, San Martin told his aide he could not stand the noise of the ball. A side door let him out, unseen, as arranged with Bolivar. An hour later his ship sailed. Mitre reports that the next morning he said, the Liberator has beaten us to it. And that from Callao he had a general write to O'Higgins that the Liberator was not the man they thought. Mitre calls these the words of a beaten and disillusioned man.

Mitre's footnote 3:40

But Mitre is careful about what he is describing. In a footnote, he says this chronicle is only what he calls the outward, ostensible part of the interview. He built it from three eyewitnesses he consulted directly, and an unpublished memoir by a colonel who was present at the arrival. None of them was in the room.

The room, by logic 4:01

Then he turns to the closed door. What had passed in the secret conferences, he asks. And his answer is that it can be worked out. If all we knew, he writes, was that San Martin and Bolivar held a conference in eighteen twenty-two, the subjects could be determined a priori. And with more certainty a posteriori, from the documents that came before and after. That is the standard account of Guayaquil. Witnesses for the door, and logic for the room.

Version one: Bolivar, 1822 4:33

Now the documents. Bolivar writes to Santander on the twenty-ninth of July, two days after San Martin sailed. He calls it a visit of thirty-six or forty hours, and says they did nothing but embrace, talk, and part. He thinks San Martin came to make sure of Bolivar's friendship, to lean on it against his enemies, inside and out. And then the sentence this whole episode turns on. He has not told me he brought any project, Bolivar writes, nor has he demanded anything of Colombia.

What San Martin offered 5:08

Bolivar lists what San Martin offered: eternal friendship, help settling the border, and a complete federation. He adds one more thing. San Martin says he does not want to be king, but he does not want democracy either. He wants a European prince to come and reign in Peru. Bolivar thinks that last part is for show. San Martin will retire to Mendoza, he says, tired of command and of putting up with his enemies.

Bolivar counts his wins 5:39

The letter ends by counting Bolivar's wins. The liberty of the south. Guayaquil joined to Colombia. San Martin's friendship. And getting out of the allied army. Everyone remains grateful, he writes, because I served everyone, and everyone respects us, because I yielded to no one. The letter also mentions a memoir of their conversations, sent along with a captain. What that memoir said is not in the letter, and this episode will not pretend to know.

Version two: Brussels, 1827 6:12

Five years later, San Martin, in exile in Brussels, writes to General Miller. His trip to Guayaquil, he says, had no other object than to ask Bolivar for the help that could end the war in Peru. That is the opposite of the letter of eighteen twenty-two, where Bolivar says San Martin asked for nothing. He says he was disappointed. In the first conference, Bolivar told him he could spare only three battalions, with one thousand and seventy men. San Martin adds that this was not enough to finish the war without the full cooperation of Colombia.

Two numbers 6:49

Bolivar's letter counts eighteen hundred Colombians going to San Martin's aid. San Martin counts three battalions, one thousand and seventy men. Perhaps they are counting different things. The documents do not say.

Version three: 1848 7:05

Twenty-one years later, in eighteen forty-eight, he writes a third version. Now he is in Boulogne-sur-Mer, writing to a Peruvian, Marshal Ramon Castilla. The meeting with Bolivar, he says, convinced him of one thing, despite Bolivar's protests. The only obstacle to Bolivar coming to Peru with his army was the presence of General San Martin. If America owes him any service, he writes, it is his withdrawal from Lima.

Version four: Perez 7:35

The fourth document was found only in our century, in the national archive of Ecuador. It is a letter that Bolivar's secretary, Jose Gabriel Perez, wrote to General Sucre, describing the meeting. It calls the meeting cordial. It says they discussed forms of government, Bolivar for a republic and San Martin for a monarchy. It says San Martin proposed a federation of American states. It agrees with Bolivar's letter. It was written on his side of the table.

What the calendar keeps 8:08

So what survives all four? Very little, and all of it is on the calendar. They met twice, on the twenty-sixth and twenty-seventh of July, and San Martin sailed in the night. The first record of what was said is dated the twenty-ninth, after the ship had gone. On the twentieth of September, San Martin opened Peru's first Congress and resigned his power. Within two days, he was gone.

Three ways 8:37

Each account gives a different reason for that departure. In eighteen twenty-two, Bolivar says San Martin asked for nothing. In eighteen twenty-seven, San Martin says he went to ask for help. In eighteen forty-eight, he says leaving was the service. The two men who were there wrote it three times, and it came out three ways.

An open question 9:00

Here is the question this episode cannot answer. Did San Martin leave because Bolivar refused him soldiers, or because he judged that his own presence was the obstacle? He may have believed both, at different times. Historians have argued for two hundred years, and none of them was in the room either.

The proclamation 9:21

One more document. On the twentieth of September, eighteen twenty-two, the day he resigned, San Martin left a proclamation for the Peruvians. In it, he says that the presence of a fortunate soldier, however unselfish, is fearsome to states that are just being built. Next episode: that proclamation, line by line, against everything he and Bolivar wrote about Guayaquil.

Description and sources

Bartolome Mitre, whose history of San Martin is the standard account, says outright that the two men spoke without witnesses: more than an hour and a half on the 26th, four hours on the 27th, then a banquet where Bolivar toasted the two greatest men of South America, San Martin and himself. In a footnote he admits that his chronicle covers only the 'outward, ostensible part' of the meeting, built from three eyewitnesses and an unpublished memoir. For the closed door itself, he argues the subjects could be determined 'a priori', and with more certainty 'a posteriori', from the documents before and after.

Then the documents. Bolivar to Santander, 29 July 1822: a visit of thirty-six or forty hours in which 'we did nothing but embrace, talk and part'; San Martin, he writes, 'has not told me he brought any project, nor demanded anything of Colombia'; he offered friendship, help on the border and a federation, and wants a European prince to reign in Peru, which Bolivar thinks is for show. San Martin to General Miller, Brussels, 19 April 1827: the trip had no object but to ask Bolivar for help to end the war, and Bolivar could spare only three battalions of 1,070 men; Bolivar's own letter counts 1,800 Colombians sent to Peru, and the documents do not say whether they count the same thing. San Martin to Marshal Ramon Castilla, Boulogne-sur-Mer, 11 September 1848: the meeting convinced him that the only obstacle to Bolivar coming to Peru with his army was San Martin's own presence, and if America owes him a service it is his withdrawal from Lima. Finally, a 1822 letter written by Bolivar's secretary, Jose Gabriel Perez, to General Sucre, found in Ecuador's national archive in this century, calls the meeting cordial and says they discussed forms of government, Bolivar for a republic and San Martin for a monarchy.

The calendar is what survives: two meetings, the 26th and 27th of July; the first record of what was said dated the 29th, after the ship had gone; Peru's first Congress opened and San Martin resigned on 20 September, and he was gone within two days. The question the episode cannot answer: did he leave because Bolivar refused him soldiers, or because he judged his own presence to be the obstacle?

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Attributed to Jean Baptiste Madou — c. 1828 | Wikimedia Commons | Public domain
Archivo Historico del Guayas — 1804 | Wikimedia Commons | CC0
José Gil de Castro — 1825 | Wikimedia Commons | Public domain
Bolivar, ed. V. Lecuna — 1929 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bartolome Mitre — 1890 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Jacques Marie Hacq — 1826 | Wikimedia Commons | Public domain
Bolivar, ed. V. Lecuna — 1929 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Santiago Juárez — 1825 | Wikimedia Commons | Public domain
Bolivar, ed. V. Lecuna — 1929 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bartolome Mitre — 1890 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bartolome Mitre — 1890 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bartolome Mitre — 1890 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bartolome Mitre — 1890 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bartolome Mitre — 1890 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bartolome Mitre — 1890 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bolivar, ed. V. Lecuna — 1929 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bolivar, ed. V. Lecuna — 1929 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain
Bolivar, ed. V. Lecuna — 1929 | Internet Archive (scan) | Public domain